Immersion debate misses the point

Published Tuesday March 25th, 2008
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Few issues have sparked such widespread public debate as the provincial government's announced changes to its French Immersion programs.

This newspaper received no fewer than 50 letters to the editor over the Easter Weekend from parents, most of whom are outraged by Education Minister Kelly Lamrock's decision. Few issues in recent memory have resulted in that volume of letters and this passionate a debate.

Do the letter-writers represent a true cross-section of the public or does the so-called 'silent majority' exist who actually favour Lamrock's changes? If the minister is correct that he has the support of the majority of parents, he has to start doing a better job of explaining why he made the decision, and what it will mean to new students.

Early Immersion starting in Grade 1 does represent the best chance to teach English-language students the second language. No one can debate that.

But supporters of Early Immersion must also understand that Lamrock's changes are based on two other facts -- we cannot make changes to Immersion in isolation -- our entire education system needs to be reviewed -- and we must ensure all students have a chance to learn to the best of their abilities.

The current system, for all of its accomplishments in Early Immersion, simply doesn't meet either standard.

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The parents fighting Lamrock's autocratic plan most certainly are NOT miss the point. None of the parents involved in fighting Lamrock's plan, including CPF, are advocating the status quo.

What we are advocating is giving parents a choice by re-instating early immersion, replacing or enhancing the Core French program with Intensive French and also leaving Late French Immersion as is as an option for those coming out of the Intensive program. As explained by the experst who created the Intensive French program, it was NEVER designed to replace EFI Lamrock is doing.

How is that missing the point?
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Anonymous Reader on 25/03/08, 9:06:24 AM ADT
This new plan is alomst exactly what is done in the French district, with the exception that the children are only exposed to a small amount of English in grade 5. Why is this such an issue? If it is wrong for us to change to an intensive French program in the bi-lingual district, then why is ok for the French district?
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Anonymous Reader on 25/03/08, 9:24:20 AM ADT
Wow, you seem to miss a HUGE point. The French kids are IMMERSED in English all around them from an early age. English kids do not have that experience which is why early immersion, from a young age, is SO important in fostering bilingualism in these kids.
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Tyler Durden, Moncton on 25/03/08, 9:33:08 AM ADT
I am sorry, but that is pure bull. Most of the kids in the French system are in homes where French is spoken exclusively, they watch French TV, and they play with French freinds. Most of these kids have minimal exposure to English, because they are sheilded from it. I have seen many children, and teens who can't speak much English. Ans the English they do speak, is pretty darn aweful. You are spouting the same rhetoric that we have all been subjected to, and it is false. Think for yourself.
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Anonymous Reader on 25/03/08, 9:58:59 AM ADT
Really?? Where the heck to do you live? Ask a student at Mathieu Martin High or ecole Odysee what they have on their iPod. I guarantee you it ain't Roch Voisine but more likely is Korn, Avril Lavign, Fergy, 50 Cent, etc.

Ask them what they watch on TV. It ain't Radio Canada or Les Plouf but is more likely Lost, How I Met Your Mother, 24, CSI, Law and Order, etc.

Give yer head a shake if you think francophones live separate and apart from anglophone culture in this province.
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Tyler Durden, Moncton on 25/03/08, 10:22:11 AM ADT
Oh I see now! You have made it so clear to me Tyler. And, I beleive you have saved us all some money and headache in the process.

We don't need French immersion; early or intensive, we only need to immerse our kids in French through the media. So how about we teach our kids how to speak French by turning on Luc et Luc, Roch Voisine, Celine Dion and Annie Brocolie. It seems as though you think this is a sufficient means; to immerse children in a language via the media, to a sufficient degree that mastery of a second language will be attained.

Very good. Do you really think that the English these French kids are speaking is any where near the proficieny we expect from English kids in speaking French?
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Anonymous Reader on 25/03/08, 10:51:09 AM ADT
The parents that I have been associated over the course of the last couple of weeks do not advocate the status quo but rather universally support Intensive French and a chance for ALL students to take French until graduation.

We differ with the Minister however in that we believe EFI is a crucial component in this endeavour. As Drs. Netten and Germaine have now stated publicly, Intensive French was never designed to replace EFI but rather to support and enhance the Core problem. All the majority of us are asking is for EFI to be reinstated, replace or enhance Core with intensive French and maintain the stance to make French mandatory up to grade 12. THAT plan will get you far closer to 70% bilingual grads than Lamrock's current plan.

And another thing... one of the most troubling things to come out of this for me is to see the tactics being employed by the Minister to try and quiet opposition.
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Tyler Durden, Moncton on 25/03/08, 11:02:49 AM ADT
continued from above...

As a life-long Liberal voter and a strong supporter of Mr. Graham in the last election, I am APPALLED at being painted as some hysterical and emotional sheep following a high powered lobby group by the nose in my objection to Mr. Lamrock, and by default, Mr Graham's plan for EFI.

I am a free thinker and I do not follow anybody without having all the facts. And therein lies the problem, the facts are on OUR side and Mr. Lamrock knows it. His only recourse is to admit he may have made a mistake and re-open the decision OR, use George Bush-style tactics and accuse his detractors of being "with the enemy". Shame on Mr. Lamrock for these bullying tactics and shame on Shawn Graham for not having the courage to lend his voice to this debate. His silence speaks volumes as will the votes of many long-time Liberals in the next election.
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Tyler Durden, Moncton on 25/03/08, 11:03:44 AM ADT
Continued from above...

Up to a a couple of weeks ago, I would rather cut off my own arm than vote Conservative. Shawn Graham has now given me no choice but to vote PC in the next election because I need both of my arms for work. It is a sad, sad time for the New Brunswick Liberal Party, all because of one bullheaded politician who cannot stand being told he might have made a mistake.
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Tyler Durden, Moncton on 25/03/08, 11:04:05 AM ADT
Intensive French has been piloted in NB for the past 5 years. The Liberals have been in for only a little more than one. Who do you think implemented Intensive French in NB? Have you read the original form of the intensive French program? What is being implemented is modified from the original design that Netten and Germain took part in. Take a look at it and be educated when you speak.

http://www.caslt.org/pdf/15-Netten-Germain-CJAL-ACLA-Halifax-2005-rev-07.PDF
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Anonymous Reader on 25/03/08, 11:10:37 AM ADT
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