Letters

Published Thursday July 2nd, 2009
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Singing anthem a waste of time

To The Editor:

So come September, all our little New Brunswick children will be forced to sing 'O Canada' every morning before they start classes.

What a crock!

In 1963, I was a student at College Militaire Royal at St. Jean, Quebec, about 25 miles south of Montreal.

It was the height of the Cold War. Less than 12 months earlier, there had been the Cuban missile crisis which drove the Soviet Union and the United States to the brink of nuclear war. In November that year, President John Kennedy would be assassinated in Dallas.

Take my word for it. If there were any places in Canada overwrought with patriotism, it would be this nation's (at the time) three military universities.

So did we sign patriotic songs such as 'O Canada'? Or even 'God Save the Queen'?

Not really!

Now four plus decades can do odd things with people's memories. Mine included.

But as I recall, I only sang 'O Canada' once during my one year there.

As new officer cadets, we were informed that we all had to 'volunteer' for the glee club. I had already had dismal experiences with glee club in high school, so I suspected my audition would go badly.

And it did!

I marched into the room, was asked to sing the national anthem, and am fairly certain I was dismissed before I got the word 'Canada' out.

Will Kelly Lamrock's determination to force elementary school children to sing the anthem encourage those students to be more patriotic than some of my classmates at College Militaire Royal? Classmates that include senators, retired generals, members of the House of Commons, law professors, and the list could go on.

As I said, the Lamrock plan for the anthem is a crock.

John Steeves,

Sussex

Where are gov't priorities?

To The Editor:

It boggles my mind how our government can allow our children (the future of our self sufficiency) to go without library services and teacher assistants for the paltry sum of $2.9 million, and force our children to walk 2.4 km to school in this day and age along some roads that are less than safe for adults to walk along at the best of times.

Wait until the sides of the roads are clogged with snow. One child injured or killed is not worth the risk.

Also, we are in desperate need of new schools in Gunningsville and elsewhere in the province. Yet, here we are spending $68 million (plus - because I'm sure this will go over budget) on removing a causeway in the hopes a few phantom salmon "may" decide to come spawn up the Petitcodiac.

Forget that there are dams everywhere else that use fish ladders that work just fine, and forget that an eco-system that has developed over the last 40 years will be destroyed in the process. How hypocritical can these environmentalists be when there is a dam on the Turtle Creek as well and just about every other river in the province.

For example, here's an excerpt from a Canadian Press article arguing the opposite about a lake in Nova Scotia, and I quote "Nova Scotia environmentalists oppose tearing down of old dam Card Lake, N.S. Environmentalists are arguing against removing a dam from a Nova Scotia lake, saying it would have devastating consequences.

"Nova Scotia Power had planned to remove a deteriorating dam it owns on Zwicker Lake, near Chester, N.S. But the co-chairman of the Card Lake Conservation Society argued that would have damaging consequences on the entire Avon River watershed.

"Removing that dam would have huge impacts on the natural ecosystem in this area," Brad Armstrong said. "It took 80 years for nature to adapt to that dam, and now to remove it would reverse the whole process. It's a step backwards."

The dam, built in the 1920s, is not used for power generation any more, and the utility has said power customers shouldn't be saddled with the costs of repairing the structure."

It seems whatever cause someone can dream up, there will be a band of tree huggers willing to push the government to correct this "grevious error" and find enough data to support their claim.

I can put together any statistics you want and skew them in my favor by data manipulation in order to further my cause. The fact of the matter is, our children should come first and foremost and that's where "OUR" money should be spent.

Fact two is the upper lake of the Petitcodiac is a healthy, thriving eco-system with plenty of fish and wildlife that will be destroyed in the near future when alternative measures could be used that would see both sides appeased for a lot less money.

Where the heck are our priorities? Again, it boggles the mind.

B. Devereaux,

Moncton

Where are the Liberal backers?

To The Editor:

Reading the changes that Premier Graham has made to his cabinet, as outlined in the Times & Transcript of June 23, the only phrase that came to mind is that this is ". . . shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic"!

Each of the four ministers who has been redeployed, has created serious controversy during their time in their previous ministry. Former Finance Minister Victor Boudreau broke the N.B. Liberals' pre-election promise not to increase taxes almost immediately after they were elected, and then two years later when he retracted the tax increases in 2009, he crowed that ". . . his government was reducing taxes for all New Brunswickers". What a sham!

Former Health Minister Mike Murphy caused controversy by reducing the number of Regional Health Authorities from eight to two, and there is at present, a case before the courts as a result of this. A second case against his former ministry is being promised by the doctors of this province because of the government's failure to honour the wage increase that was negotiated last year.

Then Education Minister Kelly Lamrock had to retract from his Early French Immersion changes when a legal challenge was made against him, and then just before leaving this position, he has created a furor of protests due to the firing of school librarians and teacher aides due to budget cuts, and enforcing a 2.4 km limit on those children who can be transported by school buses, impacting all of those with school-age children.

Finally, we have former Justice Minister T.J. Burke who is responsible for reducing financing to Legal Aid and by abolishing mediators who kept a number of domestic cases out of the courts, both of which directly affect the most needy citizens of the province.

And let us not forget Energy Minister Jack Keir, who made such a complete hash of the Home Heating Assistance program earlier this year that denied thousands of New Brunswickers the help that they had received in previous years, when he handed the responsibility for running it to the Salvation Army. And he also was guilty of breaking a pre-election promise that his government would remove the tax on home heating bills.

And each of these ministers walks away, smiling smugly as they proclaim that any of these problems are now someone else's mess to clean up! No doubt Premier Graham is counting on the fact that voters have quite short memories and all of these controversies will be forgotten by the time the next provincial election rolls around in September 2010. Don't count on it Shawn - that iceberg is getting awfully close to your foundering Titanic!

What I find astounding is the total lack of voices being raised in praise of the actions of this Liberal government. Where are all of the Liberal supporters who voted for this motley crew? Even Liberal stalwarts like former premier Frank McKenna and Times & Transcript Saturday contributor Bill Belliveau have shaken their heads in disbelief and expressed concerns at some of the actions of these N.B. Liberals.

Keith J. Tindale,

Shediac

 

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"But as I recall, I only sang 'O Canada' once during my one year there."

I can understand why you only did a year there!
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D W, Fredericton on 02/07/09 08:51:34 AM AST
Steeves, maybe if you would of sang the Anthem back in 1963 you would'nt sound so stupid today. What your comments have to do with school children sing the country's anthem are beyond me. Nothing like starting the day with a song no matter what it is. As for them being more patriotic by singing than your buddies at RMC I'd say after listening to your rant YES !
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O S, Moncton on 02/07/09 08:59:25 AM AST
B. Devereaux & K. Tindale's letters mesh so well and each of their points are extremely valid!!

The $68 million being wasted on the causeway is based on 2004 estimates!! How close this is to being a valid figure is about as realistic as thinking a rattle snake is not poisonous!! If an imminent disaster was to occur I could see this work, however this is not an immediate requirement especially when Gov't is crying 'Tough Times'!! And, footing the bill by themselves!!

The points Mr. Tindale makes have been the 'MO' of Graham's lot from the day the 2006 campaign began; lies, deceit and nepotism!! The Cabinet changes are nothing but 'window dressing'; Graham knows NBers will be very 'fog-iving' to him come Sept 27, 2010 thanks to short memories.

McKenna and his old crew are directing Graham as advisors so I don't believe TPLP is 'shaking his head' in disbelief!! Belliveau on the other hand seems legit in his comments of bewilderment!!

Sept 27, 2010
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T. Wright, Greater Moncton on 02/07/09 09:13:51 AM AST
Well said B.Deveraux.
Makes you wonder when one group of "enviromentalists" argues to save a lake and another group of "environmentalists" argue to destroy a lake .I often wonder just how much of the 68 million is going directly into the Moncton branch of the"Riverkeeper's" pocket? and exactly who is going to benifit financially by the distruction of this eco-system?
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c. sense, moncton on 02/07/09 09:27:24 AM AST
"In 1963, I was a student at College Militaire Royal at St. Jean, Quebec

So did we sign patriotic songs such as 'O Canada'? Or even 'God Save the Queen'?

Not really!"


Quebec and patriotism for Canada.... do I really have to explain?
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J B, Riverview on 02/07/09 10:35:06 AM AST
In regards to John Steeves letter, I kinda agree with him to an extent. Although I am very much in favor of standing for the national anthem in schools, I do not think it should be forced, then again what child would have a valid reason to not stand for the anthem? If the parents beliefs are against the anthem then it should not be forced upon the child as the child is being raised on the parents morals. I believe freedom of choice should step in here.

If the law is to be "forced" in the schools then what is the case with our "whitness" friends?
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777 777, Riverview on 02/07/09 10:48:45 AM AST
Kids should be forced to stand for the anthem as a matter of respect, but not forced to sing it.

As a US immigrant, I don't sing the US anthem when it plays, but I certainly stand for it.
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John Blutarsky, Moncton on 02/07/09 11:05:16 AM AST
John, what if my beliefs as a parent is say, world unity and I want my children to believe that as well? Its not like I'm bringing them up KKK or Satanists. Certain beliefs and morals should be respected even if they are different than yours. If I don't want my child to believe in the national anthem then I should have the choice until the child is mature enough to make his/her own decision. We are supposed to be in a free country, maybe we should practice it.

Just for the record again, I am very proud to be Canadian, I'm just playing the devils advocate and I am a firm believer in true freedom of choice.
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777 777, Riverview on 02/07/09 11:29:32 AM AST
(If the law is to be "forced" in the schools then what is the case with our "whitness" friends? )

I assume you mean Jehovah, Well they could do like a lot of people do who don't know the anthem. Lipsynch it. Come on people what in G's name is wrong with taking a bit of pride in our country and singing the anthem.Takes a couple of minutes of your time.

*Force is a strong word* Don't want to sing it then sit the hell down.

777,777, you are a tease.
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O S, Moncton on 02/07/09 11:52:24 AM AST
You don't want to stand for the anthem, don't stand when it's played at the hockey game.

But while you are in school, you stand out of respect. You can't do whatever you want and claim "Freedom of choice". Why not claim that a a reason for not learning math?

You have other options for schools, like religious and/or private schools.
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John Blutarsky, Moncton on 02/07/09 12:01:24 PM AST
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