Minister discusses NB Power's debt load

Published Tuesday November 17th, 2009

Potential sale won't cut amount province pays to service its debt

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FREDERICTON - The provincial government appears to be clearing the air on a claim the NB Power--Hydro-Québec deal will settle a massive chunk of the provincial debt.

Speaking yesterday at a Fredericton Chamber of Commerce breakfast, Finance Minister Greg Byrne said the deal won't cut the amount the province pays to service the provincial debt.

"Right now we make interest payments on our own debt and those interest payments are significant, about $600 million a year. That is not going to change those interest payments," he said.

"I don't want to create this impression that we're going to have all this extra money to be able to spend on new programs."

That's in stark contrast to the impression left on many by earlier statements on the deal.

In an Oct. 30 speech announcing the signing of the memorandum of understanding, Premier Shawn Graham said, "For New Brunswickers, the benefits are numerous ... The elimination of almost 40 per cent of our provincial debt."

Since then, the figure has been widely repeated.

Auditor General Mike Ferguson has countered that perception.

"If Minister Byrne is being clear, then that's good, that's the type of clarity that needs to start coming forward," he said.

He noted that the province never really considered the NB Power debt part of its own debt, indicating that NB Power ratepayers were going to cover that debt.

Ferguson said Byrne's statement is a good step towards increasing clarity on the deal.

"That's my fundamental issue with what the government needs to do. They need to explain the information better," he said.

But Ferguson said there's plenty more of that explanation needed before the province signs onto the $4.75-billion deal to sell NB Power to Hydro-Québec.

For instance, he says, ordinary ratepayers have been told that their rates will be frozen for five years and will only increase by the consumer price index after that.

But Ferguson says the province also needs to be clear about whether NB Power customers might face higher bills through other charges.

And while the province has contended that debt is being erased by the deal, Ferguson says it's just being assumed by Hydro-Québec, which has to borrow the money for the sale and which will in turn recoup it from the same ratepayers who were paying for NB Power.

"There's still $4.75 billion that needs to be repaid."

Ferguson isn't the only one with questions.

In his opening remarks yesterday, Fredericton Chamber of Commerce president Lee Winchester noted that the organization has relayed concerns of members to the province.

Chamber CEO Anthony Knight said later that those concerns are broad in scope.

"Our members have more questions than they have answers to," he said.

"They're concerned about the speed at which the deal has been advanced.

Certainly the province says talks have been ongoing for several months, but the public needs time to catch up."

Union leaders have raised concerns that the memorandum of understanding between the two companies and governments don't leave them convinced that job and labour agreements are safe.

Mayor Brad Woodside asked Byrne to comment on the impact on people working in the Fredericton region.

"When we negotiate the final agreement, the language will be such that we will have those protections. It is important to us as a government. It is important to me, not only as an MLA, but as a person who cares about this community that we protect those people and we are going to do so."

 

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I don't trust anything this Goverment says! The Graham Government has proven it doesn't know what the word truth means!
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Richard LeBlanc, Dalhousie on 17/11/09 08:31:38 AM AST
600 mil.......600 mil... could you only imagine what our government could be doing without payments like that? Their wild spending has costed and will continue to cost us an unfathomable amount of money.

David Alward (not that I want him or Shawn as PM in Spet) is going to have one huge mess to clean up.
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777 777, Riverview on 17/11/09 09:11:04 AM AST
Amazing isn't it, how this "newspaper" placed this story about the Liberals finally coming clean on something.... AFTER being smoked out by the A-G as far back in the paper as possible....................presumabely assuming that most people won't see the truth.. but (read the editorial) those Tories are SOOOOOOO bad!!!!!!!!!!!
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joe blow, moncton on 17/11/09 09:31:28 AM AST
So the $4.75 billion will be repaid by the ratepayers of NB anyway? So where's the advantage for us. We're giving up all these assets to "erase" this debt according to the Govt. but you & I will have to pay it back through our power bills, with all that cash going to Hydro Quebec. Foolishness to the highest degree. Somehow this deal has to be stopped.
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Logical 2009, moncton on 17/11/09 10:31:02 AM AST
The Irving press and the Liberals are still defending this deal but we still have not received the full story from Shawn Graham. This is just a small fraction of the real truth.
We need to know why residential customers will be paying 70% more than Quebec residential customers and why Shawn Graham proposed this arrangement. We need to know the cost to close the plants that HQ will not be buying. We need to know the costs to bring Lepreau back on line and who will be paying for the cost overruns. We need to know the cost of the lost opportunity to sell access to the US through our transmission lines.
We need to know the truth. I don't expect the truth from Shawn Graham because he appears incapable of telling the truth. He promised not to sell NB Power during the last election campaign.
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Halsey T., Riverview on 17/11/09 10:35:19 AM AST
I don't feel I have enough information and details to applaud this deal.

However, I have yet to see what the opposition proposes to NB Power’s ever increasing debt and rate increases to us as consumers.

Energy rates and its increases have been an issue with New Brunswickers for several years; the proposed sale SEEMS to acknowledge what the people want.

So my question is; if we don't sell, what do we do? I need to see alternatives.
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C J, New Brunswick on 17/11/09 11:52:06 AM AST
I for one would like to thank Auditor General Mike Ferguson for the wonderful work he is doing in giving visibility to the same questions we have been asking.

Feel free to join me.
mike.ferguson@gnb.ca
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Will Rose, Fredericton on 17/11/09 04:00:25 PM AST
"And while the province has contended that debt is being erased by the deal, Ferguson says it's just being assumed by Hydro-Québec, which has to borrow the money for the sale and which will in turn recoup it from the same ratepayers who were paying for NB Power."

This is yet another reason why I support amending the deal to state that NBers will have our rates directly tied to Quebec rates (plus a premium) with no surprise charges. Quebec gets a higher profit margin on its NB customers and NBers get a nice rate cut, as well as rate security. If HQ wants to raise their rates to recoup costs, they should be forced to raise them across the board, not just to their NB customer.
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Will Rose, Fredericton on 17/11/09 04:06:31 PM AST
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